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Is Justice Possible?
Is it possible for Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM), his co-defendants and the victims of their alleged crimes to receive justice? Can their torture and harsh conditions of confinement be ignored at the defendants’ trial? The Obama administration answers both questions affirmatively. The chief prosecutor at the “Military Commission” hearing stated, “The remedy for torture … is not to just dismiss all charges…” He continued, “[I]t doesn’t pass the common sense test that everything … is polluted and tainted by an instance of torture[.] That means everybody goes free? That’s not justice.”
In fact, the Obama administration’s rules prohibit the defendants’ attorneys from even conferring with their clients about whether they were abused by their jailers. Apparently the Justice Department believes that how these defendants have been treated during almost a decade of confinement has no bearing on their receiving a just outcome.
Many people object to the farce going on at Guantánamo, but most of those appear to believe it would be fair to try KSM in a civilian court. I disagree. I believe our government cannot deliver “justice” in any of its courts after holding KSM without charges since 2003, water boarding him 183 times and committing other human rights violations against his person. I think that the fact that one branch of the government (Executive) perpetrated this travesty, a second (Legislative) applauded it and a third (Judiciary) provided no remedy, renders our government incapable of meting out justice in his case.
The problem with permitting even our civilian court system to sit in judgment of these defendants is that to convict them while ignoring how we treated them, while simultaneously allowing those who committed crimes against them during their imprisonment to avoid responsibility, would amount to tacit acceptance of torture by our judicial system. The Obama administration and the Judiciary have made it clear that neither KSM’s tormentors, nor those higher-ups responsible for initiating the policies that led to his torture, will face any discipline in the foreseeable future. Thus, whatever body tries KSM and his co-defendants will be declaring that it is okay to ignore torture.
Some might respond, “But we can’t just let mass murderers go free.” And they have a point. If KSM really did “mastermind’ the September 9/11 attacks how can setting him free be right? Where’s the justice in that for the victims’ family members?
I’ve suggested in an earlier blog that the government hand these defendants over to the International Tribunal at The Hague. There they would be in the hands of a competent court that played no role in violating their human rights. However, given that the International Tribunal has handed out 15 to 20 year prison sentences for those responsible for thousands of deaths in Bosnia, and that it might view their mistreatment as a mitigating factor in sentencing, the Tribunal could release these defendants shortly after their trial even if they were convicted.
For those who see no justice in this result, I’ve thought of another possibility. First disband the “Commissions.” Next, while there ultimately should be a domestic civilian trial, that action must be postponed until the conditions of KSM and his co-defendants’ confinement have been thoroughly investigated, publicized and adjudicated. Finally, these defendants’ trials should not commence until those responsible for human rights violations, including those at the very pinnacle of power who originated the policies in question, have been punished.
These proceedings may take years more to reach their ultimate conclusion, and releasing KSM and his co-defendants while they wait for their trial is not an option. However, in view of their almost decade-long detention at Guantánamo under terrible conditions, until their trials are completed they should be held in what amounts to house arrest, in a much more comfortable setting with extensive visiting rights and other “privileges”.
I have no illusions that what I’ve proposed here has any chance of being adopted. In fact, I would expect my ideas to be met with howls of protest from the vast majority of my fellow citizens. “How could you espouse coddling such evil people?” is what I imagine most would say. But what I propose would protect the public, and would hold torturers accountable. And allowing the detainees to live in relative comfort, while a bitter pill to swallow for some, might exact a high enough price from the government to deter similar human rights violations in the future.
I believe our government’s actions have made it impossible to render justice in this instance. If they are guilty of killing thousands, releasing KSM and his co-defendants is not just, but trying them as if the torture never happened isn’t either. I know what I propose is far from perfect, but I hope it will inject a little fairness and salvage a bit of justice. I welcome any alternative solutions from anyone who reads this.



23 Comments

Logged on just to recommend. I always feel honored when Robert Meeropol drops by here.
Thank you for this. Good work.
My dear sir, thank you for this. I have been pondering the same question, and I must agree that an outside court is the only safe place for justice in this case(and many others). I would be so enheartened if the perpetrators of Guantanamo and the torture of KSM and so many others were also charged in the same court.
But I am not optimistic.
I think that Meeropol obviously makes some important or crucial points. The justice system has discredited itself, and can’t be seen as capable of producing a “just” outcome at this point.
Meeropol’s suggestion though that there be years and years of processing and catharsis and international involvement is impractical.
The goal is to bring closure to the situation, with the best possible outcome.
So, in that vein, I would see it as the best possible situation if the “accused” (I mean come on, they’ve admitted guilt to everything) are issued life sentences in super max prisons. This is I think a worthy sentence for any capital criminal or criminals. Post- this outcome, GTMO should be closed and returned to Cuba. All parties involved in the abuse and torture of the captives at GTMO – and elsewhere – should be publicly daylighted and dismissed from any public service positions they hold. Every act they committed should be brought to light and shown to the world. The issue of immoral behavior on the parts of these people is clear – they’re terrible – but the issue of criminal behavior would be murky. I say, expose these people, and what they did, kick them out of the government, and let them live the rest of their lives with everyone in the world knowing what they did.
I think the best way to stop GTMO from ever happening again is for everyone to get a clear picture of what happened there, to learn the who and the how and they why, and what was gained from it. This will include a determination and reporting on those who inevitably died in US detention. The best preventive cure for governments that do this sort of thing is for the general population of the governed to find out what those in power did, in great detail. People will not tolerate such evil in power, not if they have any say at all.
For those who find my suggestion that attempted prosecutions of torturers be forgone largely, with public exposure being the consequence to those people for what they did, ask yourself: what would you do if a torturer tried to move into your neighborhood? If that person’s kids were in a school with your kids?
Do you think that journalists and activists might hound these people wherever they go? That they would be shunned?
What would you do if you were running a store in town and one of these people tried to shop in your store?
Probably not much different than you would do if a child rapist tried to live in your neighborhood, or shop in your store.
What does justice have to do with KSM anyhow? His treatment by USG is all about revenge.
Did they admit ‘guilt’ before or after torture? Did they admit this in open court? Perhaps they are guilty, but in this case I find that everything is a little shaky.
As far as getting justice in the military trial or civilian trial, my money would be on a ‘guilty’ verdict in either case. We have too many instances, some as recent as this year of cases shown to have been decided on repressed exculpatory evidence or prosecution and prosecution witness lies. We even have continuing war based on lies, and just finished the major fighting in another based on lies.
The only real good that could come of an open trial would be the better transparency.
According to public reports, they even plan to plead guilty and wish to become executed martyrs.
The torture of a figure like KSM is not about getting him to confess — al’Qaida elite operatives and leaders are fanatics and are open about what they do and have done. Torturing these figures is about getting information out of them surrounding other members of their organization, other operations planned or underway, etc.
I mean, to be clear, do you personally believe that KSM did not have a hand in planning and organizing the 9/11 attack? That’s what he should be put in prison for, not “being a terrorist”, or “hating the US”, or anything vague.
Also, to make it clear, I oppose the institutional death penalty in general and I think it is particularly important that the death penalty not result from the trial of GTMO captives. For one thing, they’ve been abused and tortured and the justice system (as Meeropol indicates) has discredited itself, it has no business killing people. For another thing, figures like KSM become martyrs in the eyes of the movement they are a part of if they are put to death. Instead of letting them become martyrs, I think it is best that the world understand that there is some vision of justice for those known to have committed capital crimes that doesn’t involve killing them. This is damaging to extremists, because extremists need to point to deaths and violence on the part of the US to keep their adherents angry.
I actually completely disagree with the conclusions of Mr Meeropol, and the above commenters.
The correct, moral, and just disposition of this case REQUIRES the release of the defendants who have been abused, tortured, and held for years without trial.
Everyone knows what the just resolution is. They simply can’t reconcile the fact that the US guvmint is responsible for completely destroying the foundations of the cases.
This is what happens when you ignore law and justice. live with it.
Here is what KSM told al-Jazeera:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/mar/04/alqaida.terrorism
There is not doubt revenge is involved with this. But they have admitted guilt and those who died deserve justice. It was mass murder planned to kill. No way would I vacate the charge due to the torture, since they are guilty of a capital crime. Put them in jail for life. The people at GITMO and others who were involved with the torture should also be tried. I doubt that will ever happen now and that is a travesty.
As with Miranda, the concept of removing evidence from trial that was obtained by illegal methods was not to set perpetrators free, but to try and remove the incentive for performing illegal acts to get evidence. The correct approach for remedying the torture taking place is to prosecute those that committed and oversaw the use of torture. Confessions under torture should be inadmissible mainly because they are unreliable. Use of a Star chamber “Convict” these terrorists is a fools errand anyway. We have already stated that we are going to hold them indefinitely regardless of the outcome of the tribunal. The only person that has a worst chance of getting a fair trial is Bradley Manning. We have lost any semblance of being a country that respects the rule of law. In domestic courts we have the two tiered class oriented system of justice. Now with political trials, the military provides both the prosecutor as well as the defense attorney. If the defense comes even close to winning any motions, that officer’s career is dead. The defendant’s freedom is not at issue. He will still be indefinitely detained if by some fluke he got his client off. The fact that the tribunal must start proceedings ruling that the fact that we tortured these individuals is not pertinent the evidence extracted, shows how far we have fallen. Perhaps the ideal vision of the rule of law in this country was always an illusion, but it was a valuable illusion none the less. We have actively presented our post 9/11 extra legal system to the world. With the spying and the PDAA indefinite detention without cause or trial, the damage is done. We must live within the rules as we have allowed them to be created. It seems funny now, how in grade school, the nuns told us stories about the evil show trials in Russia. Who knew that we would one day take their place.
I for one shall vote for overlord Obama because he would long ago have done the right thing and kilt these ‘enemy combatants’ with a clean and pure drone strike to the head/and or body. The result would have been much like an abortion that spares the poor parents from enduring the consequences of a horrific decision.
Excellent intellectual reasoning. Excellent indeed.
Don’t torture them, just dispose of them.
Clean, simple, and conscience free!
Isn’t revenge a kind of justice? I got the feeling Chomsky recently implied that the 9/11 date was intended to avenge the September 11, 1973 military coup in Chile. Maybe not, but he surely connected the two events.
Revenge is inherently unending, a recursive loophole of justice.
The thing to be wary of is to recognize that this is an expansion of Justice Benjamin Cordozo’s complaint that “The criminal is to go free because the constable has blundered,” which has normally been argued referring to the Exclusionary Rule of gathering evidence.
The author here dances with the claim that two separate crimes should be linked, and that is where everyone starts to get all bent out of shape.
The fact is that there are indeed two crimes: 9/11 and torture. The author does claim that it “might exact a high enough price from the government to deter similar human rights violations in the future” but all his proposed solution does is to delay the process of justice for the former, insisting that the latter crime is not only more important, but is in fact linked.
If this were an issue of the evidence being a direct or indirect result of the torture, that might be a valid concern, but it is not. The government is agreeing to exclusion without argument because there is indeed plenty of other evidence and in the case of KSM and some of the other defendants, they have already submitted guilty pleas. In a civilian court of law, the only reason for the defendants to bring up search and seizure (through torture or whatever) is if the prosecution is seeking to use it, and this is not the case.
Combining the issue of military courts is a further issue which seems to be completely irrelevant to the crimes, causing even further opportunity for the arguers to talk past each other. While it’s obvious that there’s a *motivation* on the part of the prosecution to keep torture from being raised by utilizing more “controlled” military procedure, it’s still irrelevant to the arguments against using such tribunals which mainly come from issues of the greater legitimacy of civilian or international courts. The main relevance of international courts comes when the civilian courts where the crime was committed are seen as biased or non-functional, something that is not the case in the US (well, to most people’s definition), and while the US certainly has the option to make the criminal process international–and would be justified in doing so if it were a trans-national issue like Nuremburg–the standard operating procedure these days is to try them here in US courts and then let others try them separately after extradition (appropriate since citizens of other countries died in 9/11).
Continuing to try to “punish the government” by linking the torture and 9/11 crimes is a horrifying waste of everyone’s time and achieves the *opposite* of the author’s intent by inflaming passions that work *against* the re-criminalization of torture.
Please stop.
+Thank You.
I’m a little suprised nobody else sees this.
Torturing confessions out of suspects doesn’t just void the confession.
It voids the entire case.
Sure, no problem try bush obama holder ashcroft condi rummy and DICK EVERY OTHER PERSON that knew, did or encouraged torture first.
Let KSM see that his kids weren’t murdered by us after we tortured the kids with insects. Then when the criminals are locked up in Gitmo investigate 9-11 by an honest independent authority , let the chips fall where they may, lock those up here in the USA that knew or helped carry out 9-11 then give KSM a TRIAL, not a kangaroo court, with the evidence from the 9-11 investigation to prove or disprove his involvement. Then give him a Presidential pardon for 183 times he was WATER TORTURED.
Is justice possible? Simple answer: NO.
The whole Cowboy military, intelligence, ‘law enforcement’, and whatever exercise strikes me as one big Dick Waving display. I don’t see it as a quest for justice or timely information to prevent future attacks. Instead, I see it as an ongoing juvenile ‘make the bastards pay’ action. Revenge and retribution, pure and simple. The whole sick tragedy is justified because those perpetrating it are convinced that they are the Good Guys and therefore can do no wrong in their pursuit of The Homeland’s enemies. Isn’t it a comfort when you have the surety that god, the law, history, and righteousness is on your side? I don’t know about you, but it make me want to puke.
Couldn’t we just water-torture Obama 183 times and call it even?
The only justice in the civil and military courts in this country is the profound knowledge one attains when experiencing their injustice as a matter of course. The SCOTUS and the Judicial branch are a wholly-owned subsidiary of the MIC and the PIC. Why would the need for ” judge shopping ” exist if it wasn’t so? Until the so-called average citizens face the wrath of the corrupt court system, en mass, will the great leveling have a chance. Money doesn’t talk it screams. And the 1%ers are screaming to high heaven. It’s working, too. All the rest of us continue to need, but not get, annual hearing checkups. The price of the deductible is astronomical for a reason.
I have to agree with both of you but, practically speaking, The Hague is a better option.
Re Sixgill, when did “closure” become the most important element of justice? Couldn’t we leave psychobabble out of the legal system?