Holder reaffirmed in testimony before the House today that intelligence agents that followed the advice in the OLC memos in good faith would not be prosecuted. With respect to policy-makers, Holder testified that he does not intend to criminalize politics, but that it was his duty to follow the law and enforce the law. In response to questions from Rep. Wolf, Holder further testified that other OLC memos might be released, but claimed to be unfamiliar with memos that Dick Cheney referred to recently that he claim support the "efficacy" of torture.
Mr. Schiff challenged Mr. Holder’s position on prosecutions, given his prior testimony that categorically agreed with the statement that "waterboarding is torture." Specifically referencing the authors of the torture memos, Schiff asked whether Holder was willing to disavow Yoo’s legal argument that the Executive/Commander in Chief power trumps any law that Congress might pass, noting the argument had also been made in the context of the FISA law. Holder replied with the Youngstown Steel analysis regarding the relative power of the President being relative to Congressional action in the area. Holder testified that he would not embrace the prior Administration’s expansive view of executive power.
Holder agreed (grudgingly) that agents who did not follow OLC guidance, or did so in bad faith could theoretically still be open to prosecutions.



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Good Job, zongo! I listened/watched and you really got it right. Yeah for Rep Schiff!!! and Rep Coey, Let American people know that a the Justice Dept, politics is out and Justice is back!
Did you lose the connection at 3:28 p.m EST? i DID; CAN’T get it on Foxfire or IE. Probably local cable trouble.
I did, I switched to CSPAN-3 when that happened.
Thanks. going to C-SPAN NOW.
With respect to the three different investigations related to detainees and the treament of detainees, Holder testified that two of the investigations were required to report by July of this year, and the other by January 2010.
Did you catch Chairman David Obey’s wrap-up? It was great. He quoted Marcy’s waterboard numbers for KSM and Zubaydah and said, “if that’s not torture, then I’m Alice in Wonderland.” He does not advocate massive sweeps to net all who had any connection whatsoever, but said investigations need to be done and those responsible should be prosecuted. He said ‘we’ve already had prosecutions in this country, but they have all be for just the ‘grunts’. (definitely leaving the judgment that that was not justice).
Thanks. I like that “theoretically” could still be prosecuted. Law enforcement of those in power seems like downing a pint of castor oil to these guys. I guess it makes all the Village neighbors queasy, not knowing who might be charged with being a war criminal. They’d rather just play bridge and remain true or commit adultery in their own quiet little world.
Every time Holder stands there and says that anyone who was “only following orders” will not be prosecuted, your tiny moral standing is diminished one bit more. The Eichmanns have to be hanged alongside the Hitlers.
But they will be (hopefully) called to the witness stand and the argument they are ratting out their bosses to save their own skins will be eliminated…
This is all kabuki. What Obama wants Obama gets. And Obama does not want prosecutions, any prosecutions. Obama’s and Holder’s recent statements are to mollify the rubes, but there will be no prosecutions.
I have to disagree.
The law is clear they have to investigate and prosecute war crimes.
I think Obama realizes if he gets out front cheerleading this thing, it will look like a political thing rather than a legal thing.
As they say, the wheel of justice turns slow but it grinds fine.
By appearing reluctant, the ball is firmly in the court of the Justice Department and Obama has pausible deniability for pushing hard for this.
For such prosecutions as we are talking about, they need to be accompanied by a wave of outrage from the people so there is no inclination of plea-bargaining the thing down or leting it fizzle.
Look how long it took for Watergate to develop.
I bet right now you couldn’t drive a needle up the rump of Bybee and Yoo with a sledge hammer…
Before you think you’ve correctly analysed the situation, you might want to review my comment here.